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Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 11:35 AM
Evos Will Pown All

NOT FOR LONG,

WELCOME

Jason
05-15-2008, 11:45 AM
Your turbo kit will not save you, Alex.
Your only chance is if you find a parked evo, with the motor turned off. And even then, it will hold the road better.

:sinister laugh:

Jeff D
05-15-2008, 11:56 AM
Your turbo kit will not save you, Alex.
Your only chance is if you find a parked evo, with the motor turned off. And even then, it will hold the road better.

:sinister laugh:

lol


I like how majority of the pict0rshave the license plate blanked out except for the one zoomed onto the plate lol

Scotty
05-15-2008, 01:03 PM
Evos Will Pown All

I'm sure they Pown all, it's just hard to tell when I can only see them in my rear view mirror.

Jason
05-15-2008, 01:11 PM
I'm sure they Pown all, it's just hard to tell when I can only see them in my rear view mirror.

It's because you keep racing the parked ones.

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 01:14 PM
It's because you keep racing the parked ones.

335 whp rsx>evos

Jason
05-15-2008, 01:18 PM
Time attack @ J's if you guys want to put some money on it....
I recommend you don't, but I'm not your mommy.

coredump
05-15-2008, 01:22 PM
how about the canyons :D

Jeff D
05-15-2008, 01:23 PM
335 whp rsx>evos

dyno sheet puhlease

Scotty
05-15-2008, 01:32 PM
dyno sheet puhlease

+1

But if we're going to make a who's who of Dyno charts, I have U all beat. :D
It's also about how U drive. 335whp rsx by the time your tires connect with the ground, Jason, Ugz, New Evo Guy and I will be done, and at a bar on our 3rd Jack n Coke. My ITR (173whp) had enough problems with wheel spin all the way to 3rd gear w/lsd.

Scotty
05-15-2008, 01:33 PM
It's because you keep racing the parked ones.

Then EVO drivers are retarted, cuz they keep parking on the fwy. :D

Jason
05-15-2008, 01:35 PM
^^lmfao.... That was good!

I enjoy a challenge. So clearly this would be no fun.

coredump
05-15-2008, 01:41 PM
jason, it's not how you spray ultimate quik detailer on your car, it's how you race it.

Jason
05-15-2008, 01:42 PM
how you finish is as important as how you start

Jeff D
05-15-2008, 01:43 PM
FWD FTL!!!

oh wait =(

lol

coredump
05-15-2008, 01:44 PM
lawl.

mitsu's can start races fine; then they gotta get towed across the finish line.

Jeff D
05-15-2008, 01:44 PM
jason, it's not how you spray ultimate quik detailer on your car, it's how you race it.

I giggled. tee hee

Jason
05-15-2008, 01:46 PM
lawl.

mitsu's can start races fine; then they gotta get towed across the finish line.

If Hondas weren't all held together by zip ties and duct tape, these little "incidents" would not require tow trucks.

coredump
05-15-2008, 01:48 PM
If Hondas weren't all held together by zip ties and duct tape, these little "incidents" would not require tow trucks.

at least our gas pedal don't fall off :D

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/05/pedal1.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/05/pedal2.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/05/pedal4.jpg

Source:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/06/you-know-youve-pushed-your-car-too-hard-when/

Scotty
05-15-2008, 01:53 PM
Honda's take forever to get to the finish line.

ITR is the only exception.

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 03:07 PM
lol i agree scott,i get traction on 2nd around 3krpm


I say we have an IRWINDALE meet for bragging rights

Jason
05-15-2008, 03:34 PM
^^ s'kinda far for Scott.
^^ s'kinda not the kind of racing I was challenging to.

EVOs are made to rally and time attack. Speed, power and good looks are a side affect of being well engineered and purpose built.

G35s are touring cars designed to hit the freeway and spread the gap between them and the car behind them like the legs of a teenage girl on prom night.

RSXs are design for....hmm.....gimme a sec. Commuting? :p

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 03:37 PM
^^ s'kinda far for Scott.
^^ s'kinda not the kind of racing I was challenging to.

EVOs are made to rally and time attack. Speed, power and good looks are a side affect of being well engineered and purpose built.

G35s are touring cars designed to hit the freeway and spread the gap between them and the car behind them like the legs of a teenage girl on prom night.

RSXs are design for....hmm.....gimme a sec. Commuting? :p




hahahhahahah


Jason=1 Alex= 0

Jeff D
05-15-2008, 03:38 PM
^^ s'kinda far for Scott.
^^ s'kinda not the kind of racing I was challenging to.

EVOs are made to rally and time attack. Speed, power and good looks are a side affect of being well engineered and purpose built.

G35s are touring cars designed to hit the freeway and spread the gap between them and the car behind them like the legs of a teenage girl on prom night.

RSXs are design for....hmm.....gimme a sec. Commuting? :p

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Paul
05-15-2008, 03:38 PM
^+1 hahahaha
wait alex, your saying your getting how much WHP outta your stock internals. i iwanna see a dyno

IS300eR
05-15-2008, 03:45 PM
son, my stock is350 can smoke you in your rsx either from a dig or a roll. lmao.

Jason
05-15-2008, 03:54 PM
Alex is coming up though. He's been busy behind the scenes cleaning up many unnecessary items on his car, and concentrating on some solid mods which meet his immediate criteria.

He's investing actively in his car and believes whole-heartedly in the team. I like to give him a hard time because he can take everything in stride. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.

coredump
05-15-2008, 03:54 PM
blah blah blah. all your cars are pigs. any car over 3000 lbs has no business on a track.

:D

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 04:00 PM
Alex is coming up though. He's been busy behind the scenes cleaning up many unnecessary items on his car, and concentrating on some solid mods which meet his immediate criteria.

He's investing actively in his car and believes whole-heartedly in the team. I like to give him a hard time because he can take everything in stride. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.

Appreciate it coming from THE MAN himself,

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 04:03 PM
^+1 hahahaha
wait alex, your saying your getting how much WHP outta your stock internals. i iwanna see a dyno


i have a bit of internal work,im dropping some Blueprint Stage 2 Camshafts , and a good tuner which i know eric is aware of is going to tune my car to make more power

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 04:05 PM
irwindale 5/22/08 is the next day for drag

coredump
05-15-2008, 04:08 PM
i have a bit of internal work,im dropping some Blueprint Stage 2 Camshafts , and a good tuner which i know eric is aware of is going to tune my car to make more power

Wrong cams. Blueprint cams are N/A cams. You should be looking into IPS F/I cams.

Some people successfully used mild N/A cams with hugeee turbos, that's about it.

coredump
05-15-2008, 04:10 PM
dragging is gay.

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 04:11 PM
Wrong cams. Blueprint cams are N/A cams. You should be looking into IPS F/I cams.

Some people successfully used mild N/A cams with hugeee turbos, that's about it.

It's a bolt on turbo no gt series,no need for forced induction cams,the stage 2 skunk 2 cams have the same size slopes as the bluprint,

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 04:12 PM
dragging is gay.

put your lsd to work lol

coredump
05-15-2008, 04:16 PM
It's a bolt on turbo no gt series,no need for forced induction cams,the stage 2 skunk 2 cams have the same size slopes as the bluprint,

skunk2 are also n/a cams. skunk2 has always been a hardcore n/a shop till recently.

you need this.

http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/KT1.html

coredump
05-15-2008, 04:17 PM
put your lsd to work lol

i do. it's called accelerating during the turns. lawl.

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 04:20 PM
i do. it's called accelerating during the turns. lawl.

and still no traction lol

coredump
05-15-2008, 04:23 PM
and still no traction lol

i get traction... i still get a little wheel spin but its night and day difference on the ability to accelerate on turns.

Scotty
05-15-2008, 04:40 PM
dragging is gay.

Ofcourse it is, since your car can't.

I'm not convinced that an RSX is all that great on a track either.
ITR > everything on a track

Why turbo your RSX if you want to track it?

Paul
05-15-2008, 04:44 PM
calm down jason , no one's being mean. i thought this was just a bag on everyone's car post. sorry alex i was just messing around with you. you can talk ish about evo's all you want buddy. I just like a little friendly horse play from time to time

Scotty
05-15-2008, 04:53 PM
Another ITR plug... This is in reference to RealTime racing fleet of ITR's.

The legendary Acura Integras the team has campaigned over the past five years to the most wins of any models ever in the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) Pro Racing SPEED World Challenge Touring Car Championship.

http://www.zoompics.com/2000x-11.jpg

coredump
05-15-2008, 05:05 PM
when you mean ITR, do you mean DC2 type-r, not including DC5 type-r?

dc5 type-r versus dc2 type-r (stock vs stock), the dc5 type-r is a lot faster than dc2 type-r.

IMO, n/a is better on a track. linear power curve is way easier to drive. and too much power from a turbo is hard to drive on a track.

IMO, best way to achieve speed on a fwd is...

a.) weight reduction
b.) maximize n/a motor efficiency
c.) good gearing
d.) lsd.
e.) small front sway, big rear sway. this makes the car oversteer
f.) wide negative offset wheels up front, less wide more positive wheels in the rear. this makes car oversteer .
g.) a shit load of camber in front, minimal camber in rear.

and that's pretty much it. basically, lightweight, short gearing, lsd'ed, and suspension setup so that the car rotates super easy (rear sway in rear and tiny tires in back)

coredump
05-15-2008, 05:06 PM
the only two disadvantage on dc5s are

a.) weight (we weigh more than dc2s)
b.) our funky ass macpherson double wishbone setup in front.

b is pretty much what is fucking DC5s up on the track. we can go fast. we can't go super crazy fast.

coredump
05-15-2008, 05:17 PM
Another ITR plug... This is in reference to RealTime racing fleet of ITR's.

The legendary Acura Integras the team has campaigned over the past five years to the most wins of any models ever in the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) Pro Racing SPEED World Challenge Touring Car Championship.

http://www.zoompics.com/2000x-11.jpg

i dont think RT tracks DC2s anymore. they race dc5s and cl7s.

dlouie87
05-15-2008, 05:17 PM
hmm...my top 3 ultimate "tracking" car,

Evo, S2k, and perhaps the impreza?

http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/index-results.htm

and the results from the time attack from Japan's Hypermeet

coredump
05-15-2008, 05:22 PM
i guess it depends on which class.

if unlimited class, IMO, evo, sti, r34, and fd. s2000 way too underpowered.

if same price range (wrx, is300, dc5 type-r), then dc5 type-r rapes everything around the $20,000-$30,000 bracket.

Scotty
05-15-2008, 05:27 PM
i dont think RT tracks DC2s anymore. they race dc5s and cl7s.

They are all in CL7's now. The RSX didn't last that long, for some reason.

coredump
05-15-2008, 05:30 PM
it's our macpherson strut double wishbone front end.

basically, RSXs are fastt but aren't competition fast

Scotty
05-15-2008, 05:33 PM
i guess it depends on which class.

if unlimited class, IMO, evo, sti, r34, and fd. s2000 way too underpowered.

if same price range (wrx, is300, dc5 type-r), then dc5 type-r rapes everything around the $20,000-$30,000 bracket.

S2K's don't belong with the AWD turbo cars.

S2K is nice, I always referred to it as a RWD ITR. Lightweight, good power, very nimble. My stock S2K did slap down a Stock Evo though. In an almost straight line.

I'd rather sport an ITR rather than RSX. ITR's on a track can take out Supra's, Lambo's, NSX, etc. I once watched my very own ITR kill each of these.

coredump
05-15-2008, 05:37 PM
I'm the other way around. I feel the DC2 Type-R is old technology. B series is not as efficient as as K, stock and aftermarket braking is better on DC5, and our chassis is substantially stiffer than DC2.

IMO, if an ITR can take out supra, lambo, nsx, etc... it's not the car, it's the driver. ITR should dominate cars within its immediate price bracket, not cars that are worth twice to ten times as much.

Scotty
05-15-2008, 05:38 PM
I'd like to take back everything I said, and I think eric would too after he see's this. It is clear that RSX are inferior, as well as ITR's. I would not like to show up anywhere even with my G, when there is this demon on the road.

<embed width="440" height="380" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://v3.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=2s7ch9c&s=3"></embed>

Tim
05-15-2008, 05:41 PM
Zomg Run!

Jeff D
05-15-2008, 05:48 PM
zomg its d0ug teh fail ch0i's old car!

Scotty
05-15-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm the other way around. I feel the DC2 Type-R is old technology. B series is not as efficient as as K, stock and aftermarket braking is better on DC5, and our chassis is substantially stiffer than DC2.

IMO, if an ITR can take out supra, lambo, nsx, etc... it's not the car, it's the driver. ITR should dominate cars within its immediate price bracket, not cars that are worth twice to ten times as much.

ITR DC2 & DC5 were made to track and to only track. Lambos, Supras, etc, not. THey can track, but they fail where R's win.

Ofcourse the DC5 has better technology, haha duh. Captain Obvious is at the helm! Unfortunately with all that tech the DC5R is only slightly (0.2 secs) faster in the 1/4 and almost even in a 400M slalom. 20hp more but weight is up a bit and the chasis is NOT SUBSTANTIALLY stiffer. I'm not comparing an RSX to GSR. We are talking ITR's here. The only thing the DC5 R really has over the DC2R that is far superior is the braking system.

I believe it was Ganson who said, almost these same words after driving them back to back.

dlouie87
05-15-2008, 06:38 PM
^^^ i've seen some crazy fast s2000....

must be something in little cars, because the miatas at thunderhill up here are quick.

HachiPower
05-15-2008, 10:06 PM
jason, it's not how you spray ultimate quik detailer on your car, it's how you race it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/djduckii/DSC01994.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/djduckii/DSC01995.jpg


lawl

HachiPower
05-15-2008, 10:08 PM
I'd like to take back everything I said, and I think eric would too after he see's this. It is clear that RSX are inferior, as well as ITR's. I would not like to show up anywhere even with my G, when there is this demon on the road.

<embed width="440" height="380" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://v3.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=2s7ch9c&s=3"></embed>

LOL THATS DOUGS video

Em
05-15-2008, 10:47 PM
lol this thread is hilarious..lets do the next track event after nisei (so we can try and not ruin our cars before a big show)

If but if we're talking about sheer straight-line power...i think scotty2hottie has got us covered in that department until dhuang comes back out with his is300

but man...some of the other cars in the hybrid wall of fame :bowdown:

Em
05-15-2008, 11:21 PM
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faster in the corners and straight line :D

Hustler_Alex
05-15-2008, 11:41 PM
There are a couple of flaws with the DC5

dlouie87
05-16-2008, 12:00 AM
lol this thread is hilarious..lets do the next track event after nisei (so we can try and not ruin our cars before a big show)

If but if we're talking about sheer straight-line power...i think scotty2hottie has got us covered in that department until dhuang comes back out with his is300

but man...some of the other cars in the hybrid wall of fame :bowdown:

how much whp is scott pushing?

Hustler_Alex
05-16-2008, 12:00 AM
It all depends on the suspension setup ,im not a big fan of drag,for track i can run my rsx pretty hard, ive ran about low 1.35 on big wilow on rt 615 tires , my track wheels are 17x8 42+front and 47+rear runing 25 mm spacers in the front and 15mm in the rear


The reason i got the turbo is for long straight away's to keep up with bosted cars,on turns i get a bit of a wheel jerk from boost kickin in but i always try to hit more apex's at the right angle were i wont understeer since i dont have an lsd,i dont have much oversteer at all,

Em
05-16-2008, 12:06 AM
Ifor track i can run my rsx pretty hard, ive ran about low 1.35 on big wilow on rt 615 tires ,

The reason i got the turbo is for long straight away's to keep up with bosted cars

how fast are u hitting those straights?

Em
05-16-2008, 12:07 AM
how much whp is scott pushing?

i forgot..he got it re-tuned earlier this year =P

Hustler_Alex
05-16-2008, 12:15 AM
how fast are u hitting those straights?

last time i ran was with sv on (cw)

there are some straight aways were i would hit 90-105 or so

Scotty
05-16-2008, 02:36 AM
i forgot..he got it re-tuned earlier this year =P

452.7 WHP.....for now. DHuang pulled a 455whp on his IS300 one time I believe. That is a number that got published anyway, I think. Wasn't sure if it was like Ivan and Theresas "345whp" Celica. haha But DHuang and Dean always went back and fourth about who was faster, that was also before new motor + internals + retune. I'll be going back in the next month for another tune and some more motor junk. We'll see where it ends up.

Jason
05-16-2008, 07:14 AM
Wow, 7 pages in 1 day. lmao

IS300eR
05-16-2008, 10:45 AM
Wow, 7 pages in 1 day. lmao

damn postwhores. lawl.

Hustler_Alex
05-16-2008, 11:21 AM
this thread is great,

FWD is still baby wheels:p

Hank
05-16-2008, 12:26 PM
zomg its d0ug teh fail ch0i's old car!

i thought he was trying to drive it off the roof. put it out of its misery.

IS300eR
05-16-2008, 02:46 PM
i thought he was trying to drive it off the roof. put it out of its misery.

yea i thought it was gona fly off too, then i realize it's just the surface reclining down. lawl.

Em
05-16-2008, 06:29 PM
yea i thought it was gona fly off too, then i realize it's just the surface reclining down. lawl.

ditto lol

Hustler_Alex
05-18-2008, 10:36 PM
just tuned my car,who wants some.

Scotty
05-18-2008, 11:53 PM
just tuned my car,who wants some.

I think everyone wants a dyno chart.

coredump
05-19-2008, 01:24 AM
ehh, dyno queens. gearing is just important as making power.

Em
05-19-2008, 01:27 AM
ehh, dyno queens. gearing is just important as making power.

not when ur final drive stops u short of 130 mph haha :o

IS300eR
05-19-2008, 01:35 AM
ehh, dyno queens. gearing is just important as making power.

that's why my stock is350 would own him either from a dig or roll, 6spd auto does the magic with one pedal down all the way lmao.

coredump
05-19-2008, 01:40 AM
not when ur final drive stops u short of 130 mph haha :o

lawl. if i wanted to go 130, i'd just get a german car and call it the day.

i don't even have enough torque to go past 130 ;)

coredump
05-19-2008, 01:42 AM
would be kinda interesting as proof of concept to build a tranny just for doing 0-60, with a final drive and combined gear ratio topping out like at 65-70 mph. lawl.

Em
05-19-2008, 01:44 AM
lawl. if i wanted to go 130, i'd just get a german car and call it the day.

i don't even have enough torque to go past 130 ;)

err

coredump
05-19-2008, 01:46 AM
nothing like smoking evo's on the freeway with 200 whp and a 5.1 final drive :D

http://bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=4480

Scotty
05-19-2008, 09:14 AM
ehh, dyno queens. gearing is just important as making power.

ehhh, he said he got IT (meaning motor) tuned. So we are talking about a TUNE, not a road race. :rolleyes:

Understanding is just as important as reading.

Hustler_Alex
05-19-2008, 09:47 AM
no need for dyno chart,k pro does it all,who wants some,i need LSD tho

Scotty
05-19-2008, 09:58 AM
no need for dyno chart,k pro does it all,who wants some,i need LSD tho

weird. they tune your car and can't provid a dyno. So U have no clue what your motor is pulling right now? How do U know it's a good tune? How do U know you are getting good power and utilizing the turbo's the best you can? ButtDyno? :rolleyes:

Jason
05-19-2008, 10:20 AM
weird. they tune your car and can't provid a dyno. So U have no clue what your motor is pulling right now? How do U know it's a good tune? How do U know you are getting good power and utilizing the turbo's the best you can? ButtDyno? :rolleyes:

You are opening a can of worms there, my friend.... ie what's better a street tune or a dyno tune.

The best thing to consider with regards to an optimal tune is that the best dyno tune is not going to work on the street and the best street tune will not be as impressive on a dyno.

Both are simply tools in a much larger picture of what becomes the "total tune."

Scotty
05-19-2008, 10:43 AM
So how does he know what he got out of it? I mean if I know that a kit has a max potential of say 500WHP and I have something like 350WHP after a tune, I can say that it is conservative and a good street tune. It will be reliable for many miles since there are no internal upgrades. I also have that piece of mind that I can floor it and abuse it with no worries.

Hustler_Alex
05-19-2008, 11:13 AM
I tuned my car on the dyno at 302 on 91 pump gas with 10psi

2.5 catback and 750cc injectors,i street tuned my car yesterday,i was getting some engine knock as i was only tuned for dyno not for street,but im well under 290.With k pro you can do pretty much anything you can on a dyno

Hustler_Alex
05-19-2008, 11:15 AM
also runing a Hondata 4 Bar Map Sensor

since i cant run more than 10psi in a stock map sensor,

i can boost up anywhere up to 15-17psi without a problem

Jason
05-19-2008, 11:24 AM
So how does he know what he got out of it?
A full log from the ECU and supporting log equipement tells you that.

No knock, uninterupted timing advance, and a steady fuel curve. If you have all that you have a good tune, regardless of how much HP you get. If you want to know how much power you made on that tune, run it on the dyno.

Now if you want to make more power, it's time for a hail mary/dyno tune. Crank up the boost, run your AFR to 12.5 and pray it all holds together. (just don't roll it like that on the street)

No again, you can acheive a solid tune FROM a dyno. But imo, it's better to shop for a tux in a tuxedo shop, then at the swap meet. And by this, I mean it's better to tune your street car ON THE STREET where it'll spend the majority of it's life, rather then tuning it on a dyno where you get a glimpse of "what might be" in a controlled environment and you're left to guess/estimate what variables you may encounter in the real world (outside of the dyno).


I mean if I know that a kit has a max potential of say 500WHP and I have something like 350WHP after a tune, I can say that it is conservative and a good street tune. It will be reliable for many miles since there are no internal upgrades. I also have that piece of mind that I can floor it and abuse it with no worries.

I respecfully disagree. I agree with the idea from a high level, but there are just too many variables to consider. It's like Having a 700WHP turbo kit on a honda fit. You cannot say that just because you aren't hitting that 700 figure that you are concervative with room to spare....

That was an extreme example, so if you're saying that all supporting components are in place that will sustain a 500WHP figure on a car (say for example yours) then yes, tuning it to 400 might be conservative. Then again, who's to say how well it's running at 400?? *Answer: The tune will tell you (or rather the LOGS from the tune).

So while we're debating similar things, we need to put them all together....

You will start off at point A (your base tune).
You then log how your engine is doing (rich/lean, retarded/advanced)
You make changes where needed, one variable at a time (fuel/timing/boost)
You relog

When you cannot raise the boost without knock or it simply runs out, you're maxed.
When you cannot raist your timing without knock or detonation, your maxed.
When you cannot lean out your car without endangering internals, same.

And when you've found the sweet spot by balancing all of the above, you're golden.

*No you can play around with all the variables in order to get what you want (max power/max gas milage/max reliability). The HP numbers will vary accordingly.

**And my point about the dyno vrs the street is simply that when you tune for peak power on a dyno, you may not get the same results on the street, because the street has other variables the dyno doesn't account for. And if the tuner accounts for them by leaving margins for error in your fuel, timing or boost, it's just a guess. Where as when you're finished with a street tune, you're more or less done.

(lol...until you get on the dyno and want a dyno sheet with higher HP)

coredump
05-19-2008, 11:26 AM
greddy turbo kit is more like 7-10 psi...

coredump
05-19-2008, 11:27 AM
A full log from the ECU and supporting log equipement tells you that.

No knock, uninterupted timing advance, and a steady fuel curve. If you have all that you have a good tune, regardless of how much HP you get. If you want to know how much power you made on that tune, run it on the dyno.

Now if you want to make more power, it's time for a hail mary/dyno tune. Crank up the boost, run your AFR to 12.5 and pray it all holds together. (just don't roll it like that on the street)

No again, you can acheive a solid tune FROM a dyno. But imo, it's better to shop for a tux in a tuxedo shop, then at the swap meet. And by this, I mean it's better to tune your street car ON THE STREET where it'll spend the majority of it's life, rather then tuning it on a dyno where you get a glimpse of "what might be" in a controlled environment and you're left to guess/estimate what variables you may encounter in the real world (outside of the dyno).



I respecfully disagree. I agree with the idea from a high level, but there are just too many variables to consider. It's like Having a 700WHP turbo kit on a honda fit. You cannot say that just because you aren't hitting that 700 figure that you are concervative with room to spare....

That was an extreme example, so if you're saying that all supporting components are in place that will sustain a 500WHP figure on a car (say for example yours) then yes, tuning it to 400 might be conservative. Then again, who's to say how well it's running at 400?? *Answer: The tune will tell you (or rather the LOGS from the tune).

So while we're debating similar things, we need to put them all together....

You will start off at point A (your base tune).
You then log how your engine is doing (rich/lean, retarded/advanced)
You make changes where needed, one variable at a time (fuel/timing/boost)
You relog

When you cannot raise the boost without knock or it simply runs out, you're maxed.
When you cannot raist your timing without knock or detonation, your maxed.
When you cannot lean out your car without endangering internals, same.

And when you've found the sweet spot by balancing all of the above, you're golden.

*No you can play around with all the variables in order to get what you want (max power/max gas milage/max reliability). The HP numbers will vary accordingly.

**And my point about the dyno vrs the street is simply that when you tune for peak power on a dyno, you may not get the same results on the street, because the street has other variables the dyno doesn't account for. And if the tuner accounts for them by leaving margins for error in your fuel, timing or boost, it's just a guess. Where as when you're finished with a street tune, you're more or less done.

(lol...until you get on the dyno and want a dyno sheet with higher HP)

don't forget cam angles. how much angle can u get out of before you knock or piston hit the valve.

coredump
05-19-2008, 11:30 AM
no need for dyno chart,k pro does it all,who wants some,i need LSD tho

street tune and dyno tune is a huge difference. most people who street tune don't advance timing or increase angles. if anything, you're detuning from hondata base maps.

you won't be pushing anywhere near 300 hp without a good dyno tune. case in point, look at jon/boredfast's old greddy setup.

coredump
05-19-2008, 11:33 AM
I tuned my car on the dyno at 302 on 91 pump gas with 10psi

2.5 catback and 750cc injectors,i street tuned my car yesterday,i was getting some engine knock as i was only tuned for dyno not for street,but im well under 290.With k pro you can do pretty much anything you can on a dyno

there's no relevancy between what kpro can do and what a dyno can do... they're independent of each other. kpro is just a programmable ecu. dyno tells you how much you're putting down.

Scotty
05-19-2008, 11:35 AM
internals?

coredump
05-19-2008, 11:40 AM
i doubt it. if you had internals, wouldn't be going for greddy kit. would be going more custom or full race.

Jeff D
05-19-2008, 11:49 AM
I have 440whp right now.

dont ask me for a dyno sheet cause its my daily driver.

Scotty
05-19-2008, 11:59 AM
I have 440whp right now.

dont ask me for a dyno sheet cause its my daily driver.

Thats it? weaksause. haha

I have a suzuki cappuchino with 718WHP but i have no dyno chart. I just used a used V-afc to street tune it. Plus I can tell how much WHP it is by the # of houses i can pass in 10 sec's while in 3rd gear.

Scotty
05-19-2008, 12:01 PM
i can boost up anywhere up to 15-17psi without a problem

with no internals? U just turbo charged a future paper weight.

coredump
05-19-2008, 12:22 PM
honda motors are cheap anyways. $4000.

Scotty
05-19-2008, 12:27 PM
honda motors are cheap anyways. $4000.

or spend a little less and do it right.

coredump
05-19-2008, 01:07 PM
we're honda owners. we never do anythign right.

Jeff D
05-19-2008, 01:13 PM
we're honda owners. we never do anythign right.

well...at least you admit it. lol

Tim
05-19-2008, 02:09 PM
^lol

coredump
05-19-2008, 04:28 PM
and our cars still dont break down.

lawl.

Hustler_Alex
05-19-2008, 04:33 PM
and our cars still dont break down.

lawl.

x2

Hustler_Alex
05-19-2008, 04:35 PM
il dyno my car this week so all of you can stfu :cool:

Scotty
05-19-2008, 05:41 PM
il dyno my car this week so all of you can stfu :cool:

Don't bother. No point in going back onto a dyno, wait till you do something worth while.

Don't get cocky. The people you just told to STFU are the people who vote you in..... or not.

Scotty
05-19-2008, 05:44 PM
x2

WAT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh6m36ClZIs

Scotty
05-19-2008, 05:59 PM
I found that video of U racing after got your Turbo installed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tassiSHErDg

coredump
05-19-2008, 07:29 PM
just get it professionally tuned at church's.

tuning makes a huge difference. i street tuned my car and i ate a poorly tuned turbo'ed rsx once. northridge meet, before it got shutdown.

Hustler_Alex
05-19-2008, 10:54 PM
eric i know what im doing brah

Scotty
05-19-2008, 11:30 PM
eric i know what im doing brah



Alex RSX SUGGESTION TRAIL!

I need suggestions on what i should get next

i am open to any suggestions!

WAT?

Penguin
05-20-2008, 12:12 AM
WAT?

i guess they hit a bump in the relationship

Em
05-20-2008, 12:15 AM
i guess they hit a bump in the relationship

LOL'd!

Robert
05-20-2008, 09:17 AM
i guess they hit a bump in the relationship

LAWL

i <3 penguin

Hustler_Alex
05-20-2008, 09:54 AM
WAT?

body wise,body kit,wheels etc,

no motor work

phatpinoyboy
05-20-2008, 04:25 PM
lawl.

mitsu's can start races fine; then they gotta get towed across the finish line.

no no Eric, that was a Supra on the back of that tow truck
....
wait im setting myself up for failure on this, aren't i?

phatpinoyboy
05-20-2008, 04:27 PM
I found that video of U racing after got your Turbo installed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tassiSHErDg

too soon, Jr.!

oh shnap that was that one crash over by the 7 Northbound!! man i was stuck in traffic for hours after that!!

Mazda_At_Heart
06-14-2008, 11:34 PM
lol your always i traffic